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[请教] 我觉得很多人都困惑于如何找工作这一步

 AOI 02/Apr/13 China
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AOI楼主 02/Apr/13 China
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jack你好,我觉得很多人都困惑于如何找工作这一步,在新西兰境内和中国,有没有优质的途径,如果拿旅游签证是否可以找工作,如何转工作签证?这些方面能否讲讲。

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KL4 02/Apr/13 China
沙发
在国内要找到NZ本地的工作,成功率极低,除了碰点运气外,没什么特别好的途径。在NZ的话途径就很多,上网、看报纸、朋友推荐,甚至有人建议直接到前台或打电话到HR问是否招人之类。

无论如何,对于新移民来说就业都个很大的难题,除了自身条件够好之外,可能还需要适当地放低身段和有足够的耐心。

大家共勉……
AOI楼主 02/Apr/13 China
板凳
我现在郁闷了,我年龄39了,学历不高大专,专业是地球物理,单位是科研所搞了18年的地震方面的数据分析,IT方面的工作都可以做,也一直在做。就是不知道该怎么过去找工作,打分估计也不够吧。英语突击一下可以到6.5
AOI楼主 02/Apr/13 China
地板
请jack或K给个明示,,,
Jack LiuL9 02/Apr/13 Intranet
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考虑旅游签入境找工作。关于可行性,移民局在多次普及讲座中,已经提过无数次,请参考:http://www.jack-liu.com/post-111.html 中关于“旅游签转工签很正常”一段。

旅游签转工签具体流程可参考另文:http://www.jack-liu.com/post-179.html

PS: 需拿到job offer后才能转工签,并且只有在工签批下来后才能开始上班。
KL4 02/Apr/13 China
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个人一点感觉:虽然官方的说法是旅游签转工签很正常,但不代表很常见。事实上除非雇主真的很缺人,或者某些工作真的很难请到人,否则一般情况下持旅游签的人在找工作的时候还是会遇到很多困难的,这一点要有思想准备。
AOI楼主 02/Apr/13 China
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看来没戏了,我现在很想在国内能找到那边的offer,但是很难啊。如果旅游签过去,最少三到六个月?国内的工作还丢不了,。矛盾。
KL4 02/Apr/13 China
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是的,虽然我很能理解大家都想在国内找到一份工作再过去,但坦白说,我个人和其他网友的经历以及一些当地agent的意见都反映出这是件成功率极低的事。没多少雇主愿意雇用一个连面都没见过的人。所以很多时候其实并不是你条件不够,甚至你可能已经overqualified,但你也不得不面对这样一个现实。

而且,移民不是一件可以闹着玩的事,当他是机会也好,投资也罢,其实无非也就是想从中获得对自己有利的结果,而且一旦成功,利益是相当可观的,至少我个人觉得是这样。但是,通常高收益就意味着高风险,这世界上没有多少高收益低风险的事,所以移民的过程可能会夹杂着各种辛酸,或者彷徨。决心是必不可少的。
AOI楼主 03/Apr/13 China
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我很清楚,鱼与熊掌岂可兼得,那得有多好的运气啊。。新西兰也是地震带,所以我还是尽力联系那边的大学或者研究所之类的,看有无希望。学历太短板了。多谢2K了
TimeSpace 04/Apr/13 China
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请问Jack和K:如果通过旅游签入境去找工作,是应该在提交EOI并被选中之前去申请旅游签,还是过去再提交EOI?
如果先提交EOI,再申请旅游签的话,移民局是否会因为移民倾向而会不批旅游签?
TimeSpace 04/Apr/13 China
10楼
上面问题中第一个'之前'应为'之后'。

我的意思其实是想知道提交技术移民申请与旅游申请是否会相互影响?
KL4 04/Apr/13 China
11楼
个人认为不会有什么影响。
KL4 04/Apr/13 China
12楼
刚刚看到一份问卷调查,对新移民找工作的一点建议(英文太多,就懒得翻译了,大家总凑和着看,呵呵)

Employers who were migrants
 Persevere. Try and follow up applications with a phone call. Ensure they are only applying to roles that are relevant to their backgrounds. Be selective in applications - Don’t apply to everything advertised
 Be patient. People here in established positions don't view your experience the same as you do. Some/many may feel threatened by it. Others may see you as a "flight risk" thinking you will quickly come to see NZ as too small for your experience. That is most likely not the case but you have to deal with these perceptions.
 Expect to see a drop in salary & quality of work.
 Be prepared for relatively low wages!
 Don't talk about your history and what you have learned elsewhere, just do what is asked of you. Because otherwise you will be a threat to the small minded Kiwi who has never worked and lived overseas and thinks that the "Kiwi way" is the only way - any other suggestions are unwarranted!
 Be proactive in your search, make eye contact, learn to parallel park.
 understand the culture, and live in the kiwi culture
 Be nice to people. We have choices.
 * Understand the hesitancy that some employers might have and position yourself accordingly. * Do not assume that the amazing experience you have gained will give you an automatic right to a big, high paying role in NZ.
 Use your network or contacts if possible.
 Get onto Linked in and use the people you already know in NZ for contacts.
NZ is Australia's Mexico - this is reflected in general by lower salaries. Don't expect the people who have not been away and had their mind widened, to move over so you can have the best jobs - even though you are by now probably somewhat more experienced (Kiwis still down like a smart bas**d..). Big cultural differences between North Island and South Island. Outside Wellington and Auckland quality of intellectual capital thins out and the style of communication becomes more basic, which requires a change in approach. Come for a holiday first, to be sure that you really want to trade down to financially. Unless you are from a third world country - the majority of people who work here for NZ business's will not make as much money as they did/could elsewhere, and it is expensive to live here. If hard cash your ultimate goal - invest your working life elsewhere, come here when you’re done.
 Take advice from local recruiters, add more detail about overseas experience e.g. Info about companies worked for, their websites etc. Understand the local market and prepare to enter at a lower position to prove yourself. I was promoted pretty rapidly.
 Adjust salary expectation downward and NZ might not be as comparatively affordable as one might assume
 Preferably suitable for family life style. NZ is top for work life balance. Reset their salary expectations by -15% to 20%. Tap into businesses that are on growth path with international development plans.
 The biggest culture shock in arriving in NZ is scale - companies, budgets and markets are much smaller. You 'know' this will be the case before you arrive, but experiencing it is something else. You will need to adapt and find creative ways to make smaller budgets and less resource go much further. What a team may do in a larger market, one individual will do in NZ.
Are you coming back to perhaps start a family, be able to spend time at the beach after work or partly because it’s got harder to get / keep a job overseas? Please have a real good think what you can offer because people with 'real' experience from overseas are in reasonable supply to be honest. Consider what 'real' value to my business your offering. I nice for you to re-engage with the NZ lifestyle, but that’s why I am here.
 Overall it is about accepting and adapting to the new culture. Start with observing, learning and not over-expecting things will be as you are familiar with.
 Network, use family and friend connections. Use a recruiter who specialises in migrants
 First find a job
 Get Visa ahead of arrival - needs to be greater support for business people - Don't use independent advisers. If possible, visit before relocating - try to meet relevant employers (not just agents) and employees of relevant businesses, helping you to relate to job opportunities when they arise. Keep in touch every 30 days. Soften any English accent. Don't over commit $s to NZ - sadly the returns aren't guaranteed. Be passionate but cautious. Be flexible: think of ways to de-risk employers decision, with reviews after six months. Cost of living in Auckland is more than you may imagine. And finally....head to Palmerston North, and leave any fishing rods at home!
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